I know this topic has been discussed before but I just scrolled through all the subjects back to May of 2006 and either I scrolled right past it or else it is buried in the mists of time.
Situation:
Client wishes to spam her own clients with mass mail re: upcoming events. I host client's site on re-seller platform (westnic.net, i have been happy with them.) The server administrator blocks large mailings for legitimate reasons.
Resolution: server administrator suggested client should buy third-party mail service. I know I've read discussions on this forum of what services work well, can't for the life of me remember what y'all said.
suggestions?? Thanks!!!
Situation:
Client wishes to spam her own clients with mass mail re: upcoming events. I host client's site on re-seller platform (westnic.net, i have been happy with them.) The server administrator blocks large mailings for legitimate reasons.
Resolution: server administrator suggested client should buy third-party mail service. I know I've read discussions on this forum of what services work well, can't for the life of me remember what y'all said.
suggestions?? Thanks!!!
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Re: mailing list service?
Wed, November 28, 2007 - 5:00 PMThis is the only one that I have used but I was using it to mail a few thousand customers for a timeshare company.
Has a decent reporting tool to see what emails were read, deleted, mark as spam and unsubscribed.
www.constantcontact.com
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Re: mailing list service?
Wed, November 28, 2007 - 5:49 PMi dont know if MAgicLamp will chime in soon but i seem to remeber him have some good suggestions before... if he dosent drop by over the next few days you might want to PM him... if hes annoyed you can blame it on me :-) -
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Wed, November 28, 2007 - 8:37 PM>> if hes annoyed you can blame it on me :-)
Do I really come across as that inhospitable? If the answer is yes, then don't tell me, I can take a hint ;)
Mailing Services:
1) Constant Contact: I have 10+ clients who get good results with CC. Tracking open rates is nice, plus they flag spammy wording. Learning curve is low to medium depending on level of HTML integration
2) Vertical Response: The only clients I have who use them are more "lead" oriented, but similar offerings to CC
3) Lyris, Majordomo and other list servs: basic management, HTML emails are possible but you are entirely responsible for whether your template is likely to work across platforms.
4) DIY 1: Use mailer software (Arial or Massmail SW) with white hat techniques, and rent a mail server; you may even be able to use your current mail provider, as the mailer software can be rate limited, and make a unique email for each user on the list (aka to crack a list). Yes, you can use blast software and not be a spammer. It's all about how you got the name and what you do when someone wants to be removed, right?
5) DIY 2: PHP/ASP/.NET Web Applications: Store your list in the database and loop through it and send out individual emails, can also be rate limited. Uses the same code you use for turning web forms into emails. Upside: personalization becomes a lot easier!!! Plenty of freeware and low cost code is available.
(DIY2 is what I use for clients where the list isn't huge (>10K users) and I wrote the blast system myself so I could hook it into Content Management Systems and Web Catalogs)
Recommendations I give to all clients embarking on an email campaign:
- Make unsubscribing easy and obvious in the template, if you don't, users will mark you as spam a lot more; and then you won't get mail through in the future to all people on that server/isp
- Make sure that you or your list service have feedback loops setup with the major email providers, such that when their users mark you as spam, you can proactively remove those users from your list, and stay in the good graces of the providers. It makes a big difference in deliverability rates.
- Seriously consider plain text email, you'll get through to a lot more people, and if your copy is well written, it doesn't matter how pretty (or ugly) it looks. Good headlines are worth way more than aesthetics.
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Re: mailing list service?
Wed, November 28, 2007 - 9:13 PMi'm a big fan of Vertical Response... plus (vs. CC) they only charge per email sent instead of a monthly rate. which, for me, is ideal... everything else about them is great and i've never had any problems... good feedback/stats, clean/easy to use interface, etc... i recommend them to others as well. -
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Thu, November 29, 2007 - 12:39 AMThat is excellent feedback, I appreciate all your answers.
MagicLamp I really like your DIY2 and if I had been planning on supporting this function from the outset when I bid on the job, I would probably do it that way. But since this more sort of got sprung on me at the end, with the project mostly completed and me just wanting to get paid and be done with it, I probably won't even suggest it at this point. Client is small-time, it's a daycare, they send a monthly newsletter to the parents, maybe 60-80 recipients or so, i'm not even sure.
I'm going to suggest michael's vertical response for 15 cents an e-mail, that's pretty good for the volume they are looking at; and if they don't like it, I won't be surprised or offended if they don't have me host the site for them. Hosting is not a big moneymaker for me, more like a nice little extra i like to throw in for design clients that incidentally makes my life much easier because I control and have complete access to the server environment. I've had a couple jobs now where I had to work on Microsoft servers and it drove me buggy!! One of them had absolutely no interface for changing file permissions. I think it was one of the big names too, godaddy or something. Nuts. I'm only too happy to do the hosting, it saves me much grief. Might not work out on this one... but those 15cent e-mails just might save the day!!!
Many thanks!
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Re: mailing list service?
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 9:16 PMthanks for the discussion.
and the good info, magic lamp.
i was looking for all these answers....
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Re: mailing list service?
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 9:25 PMNo one has mentioned Stream Send
I use both Stream Send and CC for my clients.
The pricing structure is different so check into that.
I didn't care for Vertical Response too much.
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Re: mailing list service?
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 9:37 PMwhat is it about stream send that you like? I haven't used them, never even heard of them (not that I am a walking encyclopedia of mailing services ;)
do they offer stats about open rates? anything in particular besides pricing (which is important)?
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